Thursday, March 17, 2011

MSNBC Host Makes Rob Bell Squirm: "You're Amending The Gospel So That It...




Let’s step back just for a moment and look at what is happening here.
If I were the devil, and some may accuse me of that, seeing that I object to Bell’s views so strongly, and if I wanted to undermine the gospel of Jesus Christ, here is just what I’d do:
1. I’d get a young, attractive, hip, persuasive communicator to articulate for me. Not an ugly agitator, but a wolf in sheep’s clothing so to speak.
2. Next I would undermine the gospel at crucial points of Christian doctrine. I wouldn’t do it directly, but subtly. So let’s look at Bell’s views in Love Wins taken to their logical conclusions and see if God wins, for indeed, He is love. (I Jn. 4:16)

The Fall: If we all are ultimately rescued from Hell regardless of our acceptance or rejection of the death of Jesus Christ to pay for our sins, then sin may not be so bad after all. It doesn’t require eternal punishment. Its payment did not require the substitutionary death of Christ on the cross since even those who reject Christ and that payment are rescued from it anyway.

The Great Commission: If people are ultimately saved regardless of their acceptance or rejection of Christ while on earth, then some starch is taken out of the constant harping of Jesus and Paul to take the gospel to the ends of the earth in the face of death and persecution. After all, “the lost” won’t have to suffer in hell. It will be a little easier for us now not to have to “die daily” (I Cor. 15:31) or “take up our cross daily” (Luke 9:23). We can stay close to home and live the sort of lives we deem to be morally right and worthwhile.

Discipleship: Having the load of preaching the gospel slightly lessened we will be more free to pursue our own personal goals and ideas of Christian morality, not like Jesus, who came to give his life as a ransom for many (Matt. 20:28) and to seek and to save that which was lost (Luke 19:10). Or like Paul, who could wish himself accursed in hell for the sake of his lost brothers—oops, he might have been mistaken about that! (Romans 9:3)

Scripture as the Word of God (II Tim 3:16): This point is more cause than effect. Bell does not take the scripture literally and this has led to the digression of his beliefs on the gospel. But what do you do with all those verses about Jesus warning people about hell? What do you do with all the commands to preach the gospel when convenient and when not convenient? (II Tim. 4:2). The whole problem for Bell starts when he is endeared with liberal ideas on scriptural truth. It’s not intellectually fashionable to believe in a God who creates the earth ex nihilo, or one who casts out a demon. Once the Bible becomes less than accurate on any count, the slope can slip you all the way to the bottom with nothing left to stand upon.

The Gospel itself: Paul states the essence of the gospel in I Cor. 15:3 that Jesus, David’s descendant, died for our sins and rose from the dead that we might have life. In Bell’s view, the gospel itself is minimized. Just now, after twenty centuries of broad agreement in the church about what hell is and the meaning of the gospel that saves us from it, we suddenly have a different story. In the view of Bell and other Emergents, we who believe in a literal hell are holding onto old dogma buttressed by an indefensible, outdated view of scripture.

Good and evil: Jesus says that God alone is truly good (Mark 10:18). He also says that apart from Him we can do no good (John 15:5). Yet if God will in the end accept everyone into heaven, who can truly be labeled as evil? Who can be called good? All have the same, wonderful destiny and reward. Behavior on this earth ultimately doesn’t matter.

God’s character: Immediately following from the point above, what does this say about God? Bell is very concerned about the character of a God who would punish Gandhi in eternal flames. What about a god who let Hitler into heaven without any payment for the murder of 6 million Jews? What about a god who put us through the pain and suffering of life on earth without any apparent reason? For traditional Christianity, it is clear why we suffer and why we have been put here on earth. For Bell’s disciples, the answer is unclear. If we all go to heaven, why are we apart from his presence now? Why all the suffering and death all these centuries? What was it for? What is the ultimate point? What is our true purpose? What did God do all this for? From Paul to Augustine to Aquinas to Calvin to present day we thought we knew. Now it’s different?

Who or what really wins in this scenario? Is it love and God? What if we really are accountable for our sins to a just and holy God? What if Rob Bell has been deceived, not just in terms of human logic, but in his interpretation of Scripture?

I think GOD Wins and His eternal WORD wins. Bell loses this round.

10 comments:

  1. Thus, the shallow logic and theology of some Emergents is so easily exposed. Maybe sin isn't that bad that hell has to be forever. Maybe Jesus didn't really have to die to pay for it.

    Is the sort of love Rob Bell recommends love deep enough to solve every human need? Can it help someone in a concentration camp? Can it really help those victims of abuse that Rob is so sensitive to helping?

    In the gospels we can read that eventually the scribes and Pharisees stopped asking Jesus questions. Why? Because he amazed and silenced them with the wisdom of His answers. The wisdom and love of Jesus is not only rooted in the scripture, it confounds its critics. It has an answer for every charge.

    I am sorry Mr. Bell had to endure this public humiliation, but I pray that he will find humility to correct his error and come back to the truth of a literal interpretation of scripture.

    Shouldn't Christians be the best at everything? The leading artists, musicians and philosophers of every age?

    I fear we are not. Most of us are too shallow in the already shallow waters of 21st century culture.

    Let this be our call to study the Word of God and find true, meaningful compassion for those who need not a band-aid, but the life changing truth that only Christ's cleansing blood can bring.

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  2. I don't know Rob Bell and I am not familiar with his beliefs. What struck me was the stance of the MSNBC inquisitor. His whole agenda, from the first question, was to prevent God from being perceived as love. He wants people to see the angry God or at least the God of a contradictory nature. All his questions were aimed at Christianity, not allowing it to be based on love. You can't have it both ways, Christians. Not on my show!

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  3. A fair point, Gary, in our sound bite world. Surely, Bell did not get to come into the discussion on terms he would like.

    However, this does not take away from the validity of the interviewer's point. Does it matter whether one believes in Christ in this life? According to Bell's book, the answer is ultimately "no."

    Rob insists it is important, but avoids the contradiction between this stated assertion and the clear premise of the book, which is, succinctly stated, "All people will be saved, regardless of their faith or religion."

    So, I have to side with the evil MSNBC "Inquisitor" in this instance.

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  4. Another question: How bad was it for Jesus on the cross? Was it just the pain of crucifixion? That would be horrible enough.

    However, I believe the true pain of Jesus' sacrifice was His separation from the Father. "Eli, Eli, lama sabacthani? My God, My God, Why have You forsaken me?"

    The true pain of hell is being in a place where God is not. That horror is what Jesus went through--for the first time ever in His experience--for us.

    The presence of the Lord is what makes Heaven heavenly, and His absence that is the true hell.

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  5. I won't look for debate, just offer some alternate thoughts. Please don't think I am critiquing you bro.

    I could try to imagine explaining my views on the subject because they might seem to also contradict themselves. If you aren't clear about them, or how they line up, I will endeavor to do so. Then again, try to explain the trinity and avoid any contradiction.

    Now, based on the trinity view, could Jesus be alone and forsaken? I read something yesterday that seemed to demand that he had all power in his earth walk and just chose not to use it. I see a lot of scriptures to the contrary. But could the trinity be split up for a time?

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  6. So you do believe that we are in heaven with God now? I might disagree that the worst pain is separation from God. If we are born depraved we are separated from the start. Do humans seem to be in worse agony than in Dante's inferno? Imagine walking around with a blowtorch in your eye. Besides, the torment occurs in the presence of the Lamb, not the absence. I would rather be tormented in the absence of my God than to have him there watching. That would be more painful.

    Is our rescue not from death? Is it not to be freed from our corrupt, depraved nature? I thank God I have been rescued now, not just for the sweet by and by. Those not in Christ in this life will also suffer great loss in the next. And perhaps many Christians also will lose all their works of man-made stubble and only be saved as by fire.

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  7. My personal opinion is that some souls will be reduced to nothing before letting go of themselves to accept Christ. That economy of exchange exists now and in the next realm. If we hold on to ourselves, we will lose ourselves. If we lose ourselves we will be recovered. The soul is the psuche--everything we hold, desire, believe and treasure. Stubble can only be consumed, not preserved in fire. Souls are not immortal without first being incorruptible. Exchange my stubble for God's gold please. Do it now, before the fire starts.

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  8. Gary,

    You've inspired me to do a post on the Trinity. I want to answer here your observations on hell very soon.

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  9. Gary,

    Just to let you know, Gary, Martin Bashir is a committed Christian.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bashir

    In this case, I think Wikipedia has it right from what other reports I've seen...

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  10. I highly recommend Tim Challies' review of the book. It covers most of the crucial matters.

    See: http://www.challies.com/book-reviews/love-wins-a-review-of-rob-bells-new-book

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